ZGram - 5/18/2004 - "An Interview with Eustace Mullins"

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May 18, 2004

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I found the interview below interesting, and I hope you will, too.  I 
have never met Eustace Mullins, but the name keeps popping up - 
mostly, as I remember, in border disputes where he wants to lecture 
in places like Canada and gets turned around for being politically 
incorrect.

I did not know that he knew Ernst.  Nice to know!

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A Recent Visit With
Eustace Mullins
By James Dyer
5-8-4

First Word: In another era, Eustace Mullins, 81, would be a public 
resource. After his service in the Air Force in WWII, he went to work 
at the Library of Congress in Washington, DC. DC was a small town in 
those days and Eustace was a bright, curious and unassuming country 
boy with a bit of the bon vivant in him. As such, he came into 
contact with many of the movers and shakers of the day and ate, drank 
and conversed with them. He has more first-hand information about 
post-WWII Washington and its inhabitants than most anyone else alive 
today.

He was also in the thick of the fray of the Communist trials in those 
days, as he worked for Joe McCarthy as a researcher. That alone keeps 
him smeared in these politically-correct days. His longtime 
friendship with Ezra Pound, who hired Mullins to research and write 
the definitive history of the founding of the Federal Reserve System, 
serves to finalize judgment in the minds of his uninformed detractors.

One doesn't really have a conversation with Eustace. You do your best 
to corral what he'll impart, and he's willing to answer whatever you 
ask to the best of his ability. If you have any questions after 
reading this, his contact info is at the end. Get in touch with him. 
For 55 years, he's been researching the very questions that most of 
us reading this have been asking in the wake of 9/11/01.

Eustace Mullins has been painted as many things by his detractors, 
many of whom have no idea what the word "patriot" actually means 
beyond the title of the Act that's almost made patriotism illegal. 
Agree or disagree with Eustace's conclusions, his detractors have 
never been able to paint him as a liar.

J: These are troubling days. What do you say when people ask "What can I do?"

E: People often ask me that question, implying that they don't know 
what to do. That's not true. People know what they're supposed to do. 
They're actually begging the question when they ask me that. What 
they're really saying is, "I don't really want to do anything, but 
you're going to get me off the hook by telling me I should do this or 
that and then I'll tell you I can't do this or that", and that frees 
them from having to do anything.

J: What have you done?

E: I'd always wanted to be a writer, so that's what I did. It's an 
educational operation, both for the writer and the reader. Whether 
you're writing poetry, essays, articles, books, songs or what have 
you, imparting what you may have learned is important.

J: Have you been surprised by any events in the post-9/11 world?

E: I wasn't surprised by anything that happened before 9/11, so 
nothing afterwards has surprised me (laughs). 9/11 was a natural 
occurrence, much like other terrorist operations that preceeded it - 
the OKC bombing, the Waco Holocaust and the Ruby Ridge Massacre. 
These were all steps in a program and there's nothing surprising 
about them at all. They were intelligence operations, financed by the 
Money Powers. Intelligence is the heart and soul of banking, as the 
financiers must have complete knowledge and when necessary, initiate 
events to steer things their way.

The mantra after 9/11 was "This changes everything." Utter nonsense. 
It changed nothing. Office buildings got knocked down, nothing 
changed. The Pentagon got hit, nothing changed.

Rumsfeld was supposedly sitting at his desk, working, when the 
Pentagon got hit. Why was the Secretary of Defense sitting at his 
desk an hour after the country came under attack?

It was no accident that Bush was absent from DC and Cheney was in the 
White House during the operation. They had to keep Bush out of the 
loop so he wouldn't screw it up.

J: You worked with Robert Kennedy in Joe McCarthy's office, correct?

E: We both worked for Joe, yes. Bobby was one of the biggest snobs I 
met in my time in DC, being noveau riche. People born to generations 
of money aren't snobs, for the most part. But Bobby Kennedy was a 
little slump kid. He was a strait-laced Boston Irish-Catholic boy, 
which is why he hated the homosexual J. Edgar Hoover so much. Just 
for the record, Hoover started his time in Washington as a deck 
attendant at the Library of Congress, the same job I held there. It's 
rarely referred to, and hardly anyone knows it.

Hoover was very insecure about his appearance as some in DC thought 
he had black ancestry. He was very Negroid in his facial structure 
and was quite touchy about it. It might be why he hated Martin Luther 
King so much. (laughs)

By the way, e.e. cummings was the first choice for JFK's inaugural 
speech, but he turned it down. e.e. told me himself the day he 
refused the offer. Robert Frost was the second choice, the bitter old 
bastard. Ezra gave him his first break in the late teens or early 
twenties and afterwards, Frost had nothing to do with him again.

The official government story regarding Frost and Pound is that 
Frost, out of gratitude to Ezra for Ezra's role in Frost's early 
career, got Ezra out of St. Elizabeth's. Frost had nothing to do with 
it.

Ezra got out of St. Elizabeth's because a Congressman named Usher 
Burdick, at the behest of a fellow named Rex Lampman (Lampman's 
father owned a Fargo newspaper that helped to get Burdick elected), 
got up on the floor of the Congress and asked "Why is this man being 
held?". Burdick knew nothing of Ezra Pound, but he did some digging 
and found out that America's greatest living poet had been held in a 
mental hospital for 13 years with no trial {1}. It was through 
Burdick's efforts and not Frost's that Ezra was released{2}.

J: Do you vote?

E: No. Who is there to vote for?

J: Do you vote locally?

E: No. I still consider the state of Virginia to be occupied 
territory. That's how these folks operate. They never want occupation 
to end. Rutherford Hayes ran on a platform of ending occupation of 
the South, as he'd been a Union general and knew how cruel occupation 
is.

Look at Germany and Japan. That war's been over for almost 60 years 
and they're still occupying them. They'll never leave Iraq willingly 
for the same reason, unless they can take the oil with them. (laughs)

One of the thrusts of occupation is population manipulation. The 
occupation of Germany and Japan stunted the generation that survived, 
both mentally and physically. Millions of German civilians died under 
Allied occupation and the ones that survived were malnourished and 
easily manipulated. It's a form of genocide and population control.

But the occupiers never end occupation if they don't have to. 
Occupation is a great way to own and control a hostile country and 
its resources. It's captivity and slavery.

Americans love their captivity. There's no responsibility. When 
you're a captive, you don't have to make a decision about anything, 
though you have no Liberty. People don't want Liberty. Liberty is 
nothing but uncertainty. It's much easier to have someone tell you 
where you'll be, what you'll do and who you'll pay tomorrow than to 
worry about it yourself. The same goes for what you think.

J: What's your opinion of the Jewish Holocaust?

E: It wasn't really an issue until the late '50's. All of the sudden, 
they remembered that six million Jews died in WWII. I've often said 
that after six million Jews died, most of them went on to own 
apartments in Manhattan and Tel Aviv. It's not really a topic that 
interests me much beyond how it's used as propaganda and mind control.

J: Let's touch on "anti-semitism" and how it's used to smear people...

E: I first came up against it when I published my first book, 
"Secrets of the Federal Reserve". The Anti-Defamation League 
immediately attacked it as "anti-Semitic" and said that I was an 
"anti-Semite". There's not a word about Jews in the whole book. As a 
matter of fact, the first review and push for my book was made by a 
Hollywood Jew named Myron Fagan. I didn't meet him for another ten 
years, but he was the first person to promote my book, both on his 
radio show and in his newsletters.

When I did meet him, he looked like the stereotypical Jew. He was no 
Jewish aristocrat, that's for sure. He was a hell of a nice guy. He 
really suffered for his efforts in educating people as to the danger 
facing America and the world. He grew to dislike and mistrust his 
fellow Jewish screenwriters in Hollywood because they were so phony, 
and they grew to mistrust him as he exposed their Communistic 
allegiances.

I used to drink with Sandy Griffith, one of the ADL's lead 
researchers, back in those days. We had a great time. They'd call us 
"anti-Semites" and then drink with us. Go figure. Sandy brought the 
best wines. As I recall, Sandy's real last name was Scheffer.

It came out later that the ADL was behind much of the National 
Renaissance Party, the "right wing" extremists of the '50's. I had no 
idea at the time.

J: Have you ever been in contact with Ernst Zundel?

E: Oh yes. Ernst is a great guy, a regular gemütlichkeit German. 
Overnight he went from being a successful and obscure artist to one 
of the worst anti-Semites on the planet. That's what you get for 
loudly questioning the "official" line. God love him.

J: Zundel was arrested right after the Immigration and Naturalization 
Service fell under the auspices of the Department of Homeland 
Security...

E: I'm not surprised. Tom Ridge is worthless. He'll do anything 
they'll tell him to do. He'd go to the White House and shoot Bush if 
he was told to. He wouldn't want to, but he'd do it. He's the typical 
faceless, controlled bureaucrat.

J: Do you have Internet access or a computer?

E: No. I don't have time to get on the net. So many guys are on that 
thing talking for eight and twelve hours a day to other guys in 
Chicago and Tokyo or what have you. I wouldn't get anything done. I'm 
working to get six of my books reprinted: Curse of Canaan, My Life in 
Christ, This Difficult Individual Ezra Pound, The World Order, 
Secrets of the Federal Reserve and The Rape of Justice.

J: Has anyone ever tried to get you involved in questionable activities?

E: About thirty years ago, which was the lowest point in my life as 
it was after my mother died, a man came to town and wanted me to kill 
Henry Kissinger. He said that he knew Kissinger's "mistress schedule" 
in LA and that they'd fly me out there and put me up for a week 
before the hit. I never considered it as I could see the headlines: 
"Extremist Gunned Down In Plot To Kill Kissinger".

J: How's your health?

E: I just got back from the doctor and he said I could probably go 
another twenty years. I feel like I'm 17. [Interviewer's note: I took 
Eustace to lunch at an all-you-can eat place and he put a respectable 
dent in the food bar. Two hours later, we went to a birthday party 
for one of his family members. He ate another huge plate of food. Age 
certainly doesn't affect his appetite.]

J: Didn't someone try to stick you in a nursing home recently?

E: My brother decided that he wanted my assets and tried to get me 
declared unfit. It took the efforts of my nephews and others to get 
me out and to regain legal control of my assets again. Two licensed 
psychologists have judged me mentally sound and I have no intention 
of letting any of that happen again.

J: Do you have any words for the ADL, as they're probably going to read this?

E: Beyond congratulating them for having a great little protection 
racket going, no.

J: How can folks get in touch with you?

E: Call or write anytime.

Eustace Mullins
126 Madison Place
Staunton, Va. 24401
540-886-5580

J: Are you still optimistic for the future of Liberty in America?

E: More optimistic than ever. The enemies of Liberty have painted 
themselves into a corner. They have committed so many gross 
indecencies, indelicacies and frauds that it's all coming to a head. 
I look for a great cleansing Spirit to come up in the next few years.

I've been optimistic my whole life. If anyone shouldn't be 
optimistic, it should be me. I've had eighty years of deprivation and 
marginalization in my own country that most people wouldn't be able 
to endure. I have Faith.

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Notes


{1}. Ezra Pound was accused of treason for taking aid from Mussolini 
in the form of an international radio station from Il Duce. Pound 
spent the majority of his broadcats reaming and railing against the 
international Money Cartel, and urged his listeners to find one thing 
in his broadcasts that went against the US Constitution. These 
broadcasts are available in the book Ezra Pound Speaking (1978), 
edited by Leonard Doob.

On a side note, Vladimir Jabotinsky and Menachem Begin also received 
much material aid from Mussolini up until the late 1930's. Jabotinsky 
is known as the "Father of the Israeli Defense Forces" and Begin 
later became Prime Minister of Israel. Apparently, they didn't commit 
the treason against the Bankers that Pound did.

{2}. http://www.pbagalleries.com/catalogs/curcat99-3.html</a>: 
(Pound, Ezra) Congressman Usher Burdick's four office file folders of 
Pound & other correspondence relating to the attempted & finally 
successful release of Ezra Pound from St. Elizabeths Hospital, where 
he was condemned for insanity after his pre-trial hearing for 
treason. Includes letters from Ezra Pound, & from his wife, Dorothy, 
a group of photographs of Pound, press clippings, letters from Pound 
to Burdick's legislative assistant, Laura Page Knudson, letters to & 
from Burdick regarding the release of Pound (both before & after, 
incl. the original letter from Rex Lampman of Hollywood asking 
Burdick to get involved in the first place, & a couple of letters 
from poet Witter Bynner, signed), copy of the 1945 Grand Jury report 
against Pound, printing of the original Resolution submitted to 
Congress for his release (1957), copy of a transcript of an interview 
with Pound by the Canadian Broadcasting Corp., copy of the 
congratulatory telegram sent by Burdick to the Pounds on their voyage 
back to Italy, 2 copies of The Library of Congress Legislative 
Reference Service 53-page report by Hal Seiber on "The Medical, 
Legal, Literary and Political Status of Ezra Weston [Loomis] Pound," 
1958, etc. Various places: various dates. Generally covering the 
years 1957-58, this is the unique record of the workings of Ezra 
Pound's release from the mental hospital to which he was condemned 
after being declared incapable of standing trial for treason in 1946. 
Pound had been arrested and shipped back to the U.S. after making 
inflammatory statements on a daily basis on Italian radio, attacking 
Roosevelt and extolling Mussolini and Facism. Pound was sent to St. 
Elizabeths Hospital for 12 years, longer than convicted traitors 
Tokyo Rose and Alger Hiss spent in jail, and it was only with the 
help of Congressman Burdick that Pound's case was finally taken up 
(under the commonly held belief that Pound was, in fact, not insane). 
The generally ornery letters from Pound to Burdick's assistant cast 
him in a harsh light: From May 12, 1958, Pound writes: "I have always 
regarded package words as a pest. Notably the idiotic term 
"anti-Semitism", and repeatedly said it was idiotic to attack Jews 
while leaving intact an infamous swindle which they understood better 
than uncorrelated goyim. I see no reason why the highly sensitized 
sephadim [sic] should be held responsible for the brutal savagery of 
the khazars...I shd/ like some time to list some of the curious acts 
occurring under the reign of Roosevelt (F.D.) probably to be known to 
future generations as `THE Calamity.'...Rome Daily American 
unreliable / reporter probably misunderstood what I said. Without 
exact date, impossible to determine, if this occurred after I had 
been put OFF the air, by Italian government. Against which I 
protested, and got back on. To do what I considered my duty in 
warning the U.S. against Roosevelt's hysteria." Burdick was very 
interested in the causes of people being "railroaded" into mental 
institutions, and he saw Pound's case as a seminal example, one that 
would be easily thrown into the spotlight. Most of Pound's letters 
signed "Ez Pound", all T.Ls.s. with holograph corrections. A 
fascinating group of letters, photographs, clippings, reports, and 
more. An article on the case from the Dec. 1994 Smithsonian is also 
included. (5000/8000).

Dyer is a researcher and writer living in Occupied Virginia.

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