Carlos Porter, a Revisionist living in Europe, is the author of "The Holocaust - Made in Russia". How many times have Revisionists argued, as Carlos Porter argues against Catherine Colohen's shrieking below?
It seems that round and round we go - invectives and shrillness on one side, and facts and logic on the other. Here is the letter from Catherine Colohen, a Holocaust aficionado who sprinkles exclamations marks for what she thinks needs emphasis, to Carlos Porter's website at <http://cwporter.com/>
Colohen:
Your sad and pathetic attempts to refute the great evil perpetrated by the National Socialists would be almost laughable if the filthy and dangerous lies you promulgate were not so easily available to those who perhaps do not possess the critical faculties or basic knowledge to see them as the twisted garbage they are. How ironic that the Internet, hailed as the future of freedom of information, should also be open to spreading the kind of Fascist [!] propaganda you have posted on your Holocaust website purporting as some kind of fact.
Perhaps you think that the many Jews who did manage to survive [!] six years [!] of German atrocities [!] are all lying or sadly deluded? [!] The eyewitnesses . . .
Porter:
What eyewitnesses? Myklos Nyzsli? Filip Müller? Hendryk Tauber?
Colohen:
. . . who lived day in and day out in the stench of burning bodies [!]
Porter:
Crematory ovens do not smell or emit smoke; cremation in ditches is impossible; how many times do I have to say this?
Colohen:
. . . or watched lines of people disappear into "shower rooms" [!]
Porter:
Where is the proof of this? In any case, the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz were morgues
Colohen:
. . . and reappear as bodies that fellow Jews were forced to load into crematoria?
Porter:
What Jews? David OlËre? Filip Müller? Myklos Nyszli?
Colohen:
Maybe you even consider the presence of such crematoria in the death camps to indicate a Nazi predilection for baking their own bread, [!] rather than burning bodies of innocent victims? [!] [!]
Porter:
They were built to cremate the bodies of innocent victims of epidemic disease, dying at a rate of 200 per day. By the way, if the "morgues" were used as "gas chambers", what did they do for real morgues? Where did they store the bodies pending cremation, since the crematory capacity was far less than that alleged by Jews?
Colohen:
What possible motive do you think the Jews have to stage the disappearance of six million of their number? [!]
Porter:
How about creating a pretext for setting up the parasite state of Israel with hundreds of billions of dollars in goods, money, gold, etc. etc. extorted from a world rendered psychotic by propaganda? No doubt there are other motives as well, mostly financial. See THE JEWISH PARADOX by Nahum Goldmann.
Colohen:
Do you think these people actually went to sun themselves in Madagascar [!] for the duration of the war and were alive and well the whole time? Where do you think that the hundreds of thousands of inhabitants of ghettos such as Warsaw and Cracow went to?
Porter:
See THE DISSOLUTION OF EUROPEAN JEWRY by Walter Sanning
Colohen:
Have you not read the accounts not only of Jewish eye witnesses, but also of that rare breed at the time, the morally outraged German such as Oskar Schindler? [!] [!] [!]
Porter:
Swindler was a Jewish racketeer working for the Germans and who is buried in Israel. Is this really the best you can do? An admitted work of fiction?
Colohen:
This German provided intelligence on the treatment of Cracow's Jews during the course of the war [!], long before the mass delusion of Allied soldiers at the liberation of the camps that you implausibly attempt to argue explains their "mistake" of labelling German behaviour deliberate extermination. Are all the Allied soldiers involved in the liberation of the camps mistaken or lying?
Porter:
Mistaken, certainly. That they were capable of lying as well -- and torturing defendants and witnesses into signing false statements and confessions -- is proven by the evidence they fabricated in hundreds of trials. How about the Malmedy Trial? It's not the only example. Why not read MASSACRE A MALMEDY, CROSSROADS OF DEATH, INNOCENT AT DACHAU, or many other books?. One of the accusations dreamed up by the testicle-crushing Jewish-American interrogators at Malmedy was the homosexual rape of the bodies of American soldiers after the Malmedy Massacre; this charge was only dropped by American administrative decision. Otherwise that would probably be a "proven fact" as well.
Colohen:
Where are the owners of the mounds of art treasures, personal possessions . . .
Porter:
The personal possessions of incoming camp inmates were disinfested, registered, and stored, just as they would be if you entered prison or the armed forces anywhere in the world; as for the owners, see THE DISSOLUTION OF EUROPEAN JEWRY. Of course, many people died; the existence of their possessions does not prove that they were murdered, least of all in "gas chambers".
Colohen:
. . . teeth
Porter:
See Document R-135
Colohen:
. . . hair
Porter:
Are you referring to the 7 tons of hair mentioned in Soviet War Crimes Report USSR-8, or are you referring to Document USSR-511
Colohen
. . . that the fleeing Germans left behind? [!] [!] [!]
If the crematoria were for less sinister purposes, why did the SS dynamite them before they left the camps?
Porter:
"The fake "gas chamber" shown to tourists at Auschwitz I was not dynamited. The authorities at Auschwitz claim it is authentic, but that the "gas chambers" were blown up. So was the fake at Auschwitz I a "gas chamber" or wasn't it? They can't have it both ways. If any of these structures had been used as gas chambers using hydrocyanic acid, dynamiting the buildings would conceal nothing. The other crematoria were probably dynamited because of Soviet propaganda use of the German crematoria at Majdanek. Auschwitz I was a morgue converted into an air raid shelter at the end of the war, then converted into a "gas chamber" by the Poles and Soviets. The holes in the roof at Auschwitz II were pierced after the building was destroyed. No holes, no Hoaxoco$t. See the RUDOLF REPORT. The real question is why they did not destroy all their records and archives, which have survived intact. See the TECHNIQUE AND OPERATION OF THE GAS CHAMBERS by J.-C. Pressac, and the many refutations of that illustrious but unobtainable tome by Jürgen Graf and Carlo Mattogno.
Colohen:
The list of damning questions you blatantly ignore is endless.
Porter:
So is the list of revisionist books you could read, written by persons much better qualified than myself. Why don't you start with the RUDOLF REPORT? The longer version is only available in German, but rest assured that it will be translated. In the meantime, read the short one. The questions you raise are answered in hundreds if not literally thousands of books, and cannot be answered in the space available here.
Colohen:
Matt Smith's poisonous rubbish . .
Porter:
"Who is Matt Smith?
Colohen:
. . . argues that it was not a deliberate policy of extermination that led to the millions of deaths, but German mismanagement of the camps
Porter:
It was due to the Allied bombing of railways and pharmaceutical factories, bombings which included dropping phosphorous on school children, machine-gunning refugees, including women and children and farmers working in their fields]
Colohen:
Have you both failed to read the documents issued by Section D in Oraienenberg during the war on the treatment of Jewish prisoners and their intended fate . . .
Porter:
Please be specific; in any case, Himmler issued an order that the death rate was to be reduced at all costs; for further information, please contact David Irving
Colohen:
. . . or that initial declaration of Nazi policy, Mein Kampf itself? [!]
Porter:
Please be specific; which quotation are you referring to? Either the Hoaxoco$t was so secret that there are no documents to prove it, or it was public, and MEIN KAMPF and public speeches by Hitler can be used to "prove" it. So which is it? Was it secret, or was it carried on in public?
Colohen:
Do you not consider the Nazi's intentions to be writ large from the 1930s onwards, with the rapid increase in persecution and removal of civil rights for the Jewish population, Kristallnacht [!], the wearing of the star, segregation of schools, ghettoisation? [!]
Porter:
The wearing of the yellow star was an alternative to internment. National Socialist measures were largely copied from the Zionists, with the cooperation of the Zionists; the Nuremberg Laws were written in cooperation with the Chief Rabbi of Berlin, and similar laws exist in Israel today. The Jews have always "ghettoized" themselves; indeed, Judaism has very aptly been described as a "ghetto of the mind". See THE TRANSFER AGREEMENT by Black, or Eine Geschichte der Auswanderung der Juden aus dem Dritten Reich by Ingrid Weckert.
Colohen:
What do you hope to gain by denying that the Holocaust occurred? [!] It is not the first time nor, judging from events in Kosovo [!] and Rwanda [!] . . .
Porter:
The refugee movements in Kosovo were caused by NATO bombing; the massacres in Rwanda were the inevitable result of the chaos caused by decolonization, i.e., a black population explosion and black rule. Note that Communist, Zionist, democratic and African atrocities against whites are not important. Why not mention the white farmers being necklaced in South Africa while we are at it?]
Colohen:
. . . all too recently, will it sadly be the last that human beings seek to murder each other on a grand scale. [!] However, to attempt to deny that it did happen is not only insufferably insulting to those millions that either died or survived to carry the horrors of National Socialism and its death camps . . .
Porter:
If they were "death camps" why did so many people survive?
Colohen:
. . . to their graves - are you seriously accusing all these people of lying? [!]
Porter:
Many of them, yes. See, for example, the quotations from the BLACK BOOK. Others, no. Hysteria was believed by Freud to be a racial characteristic of Jews; hallucinations are a symptom of typhus. Most of the "evidence" I consider simply Communist propaganda; just look at the references in any standard work on the Hoaxoco$t, for example, THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EUROPEAN JEWS by Hilberg.
Colohen:
- but leads to incidents such as the shootings at Columbine High School where young men . . .
Porter:
One of whom, KLEBOLD, was a racial and religious Jew, the grandson of a wealthy Jewish philanthropist,
Colohen:
. . . addicted to sick Fascist web sites such as your own [!] [!] [!],
Porter:
They were addicted to a video of NATURAL BORN KILLERS by the Jew Oliver Stone, which they watched over and over. Violence is as addictive as pornography; both are produced and marketed by Jews for billion-dollar profits.
Colohen:
. . . decided to mow down thirteen innocent people. [!]
Porter:
When the story first appeared, it was stated that twenty five people had been killed. Now the figure has been reduced to thirteen. What could be simpler than counting bodies in an American High School? This is an example of the inaccuracy of media reporting.
Colohen:
Perhaps you applaud their actions [!]
Porter:
Of course not; I think it is a shame they committed suicide. Hanging would have been far too good for them, and the same goes for the rap-music addicted 13 and 11 year-old killers at Jonesboro Arkansas, who fantasized that they were members of the Crips and Bloods, a violent black youth gang in Chicago. I blame the Jewish-controlled media for these events; but I believe that the idiots who commit these crimes should be punished; perhaps by necklacing -- a punishment popular among blacks. Poetic justice! It is time for rap-maddened, black-worshipping white people and video violence-worshipping racial and religious Jews like Klebold to learn the difference between fantasy and reality, even if they are so-called "children".
Colohen:
. . . and see no moral responsibility on the part of people such as yourself [!]
Porter:
I do not control the American news media, advertising, and entertainment; I do not control video pornography and violent video games; I do not make hundreds of billions of dollars by force-feeding the American public with unmitigated, endless filth, most of it of Jewish origin.
Colohen:
. . . but then you are the one who seeks to defend and exonerate the disgusting and barbaric actions of the Third Reich [!]
Porter:
How about the disgusting and barbaric actions of Israel why we are at it?
Colohen:
. . . so you obviously exist in some kind of moral void. Laughably, you think that pointing out the incredible methods of murder alleged at Nuremberg somehow makes them untenable [!] [?]
Porter:
Makes what untenable? Do you really believe that the "steam chambers", "electrical chambers", "vacuum chambers" and all the other obvious lies, most of them of Soviet origin, do not rather tend to discredit the Nuremberg evidence and judgement, even just a little bit?]
Colohen:
- unfortunately, this is precisely why the Holocaust will continue to live on in human memory [!],
Porter:
No doubt, because Jews will produce thousands of books, comic books, movies, and television shows about their "suffering", often in admitted works of fiction. You can turn on the television any hour of the day or night in any country on the face of the earth, and there will always be at least one show about "poor persecuted Jews" and their endless "suffering" and "sensitivity". Don't you think this has gone far enough?
Colohen:
I believe because the scale of their evil and the suffering they inflicted was quite beyond anything ever witnessed before [!]
Porter:
Why? The Bible contains 137 descriptions of mass murder committed by Jews on God's orders; Stalin killed 10 times as many people as Hitler even if the Hoaxoco$t is a fact; not to mention Communist atrocities committed since Stalin's death (see LE LIVRE NOIR DU COMMUNISME). Will you join with me in denouncing Communism? Or is that further evidence of my anti-Semitism?
Colohen:
. . . leaving us wondering how these could really be men, not monsters.
Porter:
The same question could be asked with regards to the Soviet secret police, which were always dominated by racial Jews, for example, Yagoda; was he a human being? See, for example, THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO. How about Menachem Begin while we are at it?
Colohen:
Attempting to mock these facts is not to make them suddenly untrue. [!]
Porter:
What do YOU think of the "steam chambers"? Note that the technical installations were described in great detail; it was not a "rumour" that Jews were being steamed to death, it was a deliberate LIE.
Colohen:
I would suggest that not only are you an extremely poor historian, you are also a rather sick and flawed human being. [!]
Porter:
As one sick and flawed human being to another, I am glad to meet you; by the way, is Colohen a Jewish name, or am I mistaken? To what do I owe this great honour?
Colohen:
I would advise you to look deep within yourself to discover why you seek to deny these events
Porter:
The answer is very simple. It is called a love of truth -- combined with anger at the destruction of my race, nation, civilization, culture, history, and my children's future, not to mention sheer disgust at the exclusive and obsessive focus upon Jewish "suffering", real or imagined. I have nothing against former concentration camp (inmates), I think many of them were decent people, but they weren't the only people who had a hard time. Nobody was dropping phosphorous or jellied gasoline on them (except when the Americans bombed them at the end of the war, more or less by accident). German concentration camp inmates were well-fed, and enjoyed sanitary facilities, heating, and health care; they lived relatively well until the end of the war, although of course they had to work very hard (10 or 11 hours a day). Perhaps you can explain why some of them were actually OVERWEIGHT, even at the end of the war? In short, although I have nothing but respect for many former concentration camp inmates personally, I am sick of their horror stories, hallucinations, and self-pity. I once asked a Japanese-American how he felt about spending the war in a "concentration camp", and he said, "well, if I hadn't gone in the camp, I would probably have had to go in the army, and then maybe I wouldn't have come back". Do you see the difference? The Japanese have dignity.]
Colohen:
- perhaps, as for most others, the sheer scale of the horror overwhelms you so you choose to live in denial rather than confront man's gross inhumanity [!].
Porter:
I am quite aware of man's gross inhumanity, are you? Why don't you read THE DESTRUCTION OF DRESDEN, GRUESOME HARVEST, EXECUTION BY HUNGER, THE GREAT TERROR, THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM, or TA TA, TAN TAN (The Inside Story of Communist China)?, etc. etc., not to mention many more recent books, like EYE FOR AN EYE by John Sack, OTHER LOSSES or CRIMES AND MERCIES by James Bacque? There are thousands of them, why don't you learn something about the twentieth century before writing this sort of thing?
Colohen:
However, if you will persist in continuing to trumpet abroad these grave lies . . .
Porter:
The website consists mostly of graphics: are you saying I fabricated the pages I reproduced from the Nuremberg Trial transcript? Please be specific.
Colohen:
I would be interested to see this letter and your response to it on your web site in the near future - you deluded Fascist. [!]
Porter:
This is the third time you have called me a Fascist, a word used almost exclusively by Marxists. Does that make you a Communist? A pinko? How about "Communist sympathizer"? Name calling is a game two can play, and it is a game that Jews are notoriously good at. In any case, the National Socialists were not Fascists. If you like, I will write an article on Fascism to help you perceive the differences. One thing the Fascists and National Socialists had in common was a love of country; a love of tradition, religion, and the family; a desire for social reform, and opposition to Marxism.
This is a revisionist website. Revisionism is a factual matter, not an ideology. Most revisionists are technicians: engineers or chemists, etc. Everyone has something to contribute, precisely because it is not an ideology. Many revisionists are Christians who believe that it is a sin to lie about any nation or people. Others are patriots who believe that a false sense of guilt is destroying their nation, their people, their culture, and their religion. Others are traditionalists who believe that an exclusive focus on Jews is destroying all nations, all peoples, all cultures, and all religions. Revisionists include Catholics, Protestants, atheists, Jews, Moslems, leftists, socialists, and, somewhat surprisingly, very many former Communist sympathizers. A few others (very few) are National Socialists. Facts are facts. 2 + 2 = 4 even if it's a "Nazi" who says so. Nobody calls you an "atheist" or "anti-Christian" if you point out that the "Shroud of Turin" is only 700 years old. Do you really want answers to these questions, or do you just want to argue?
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YOURS FAITHFULLY,
CARLOS W. PORTER
13 NOVEMBER 1999
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Thought for the Day:
Israeli high school students ended a recent pilgrimage to former Nazi death camps in Poland by bringing strippers to their hotel rooms for a late-night show, the school's principal said. "There was a male stripper and a female stripper," Rachela Yoktan, principal of Ofek High School, told Israel Radio. Yoktan said the incident took place earlier this month, behind the back of a teacher chaperoning the group of 70 students.
(Jewish Telegraph Agency: Thursday, November 18, 1999 )