Was it Rabbi Cooper or Rabbi Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center who called cyber Revisionists a "frighteningly sophisticated" breed? I know one who will fit that description - and a joy and pleasure he is, not the least because that man is not afraid to put his name where his convictions are. His name is Antonio Marques.
Below is one fine sample he sent me from a newsgroup discussion string. These things are sometimes difficult to follow because they frazzle out, but I have culled the nuggets out for you. The gist of this sparring was that Holohugger Mr. Green said, vastly simplified: "We don't know everything. We can't prove everything. You say I cannot prove the Holocaust? You prove Hiroshima to me . . . "
Antonio: Here we go: ". . . since human knowledge is not complete, the gas chambers exist"? Okay, but why not ". . . since human knowledge is not complete, the moon is inhabited by penguins" ?
Green: You just put words in my mouth and responded; that's called a strawman, nazi-boy.
Antonio: I know. I believe you're one and I find this exchange amusing. I mean you don't prove your points by successive "negatives". Please state why the "Holocaust gas chambers" seem true to you, if you have stopped believing in the concept of "truth" itself ?
Green: We have testimony, missing Jews, physical evidence and in general a convergence of all the evidence.
Antonio: Not at all. The "evidence" is not only flimsy and divergent, but you can even understand how it got to be so, i.e. you can understand the reasons for its being flimsy and divergent, exactly as you understand the evidence for witchcraft or intercourse with the devil being similarly invalid - in spite of testimony, missing children, claimed physical evidence, confessions, etc. That sort of incoherent "evidence" is the usual result of "investigation" through rigged trials under conditions of religious or political mass hysteria.
Green: The same as for the moon, atomic weapons, the Hiroshima bombing etc.
Antonio: No. The same as for intellectual bankrupcy and a childish retreat into blanket denial of everything but one's own religious navel.
Green: You cannot post physical evidence. [of the bombing of Hiroshima]
Antonio: Let's see if I can explain this to you. You cannot post evidence in the *material* sense you wish. You can only post words. However you can post words that lead you to the evidence and you can post words that lead you to the holo-Wonderland.
Green: In other words, Mr. Marques admits that he can post no physical evidence that Hiroshima was bombed.
Antonio: Mr. Green, were you expecting radioactive Japanese meat would start oozing from your monitor? You should resort to Mr. Spielberg at Holowood for that sort of special effect. (...) Of course you and only you, will be the judge of your own beliefs. Should you prefer to believe in mass abductions by Spielberg's ETs, you'll find a lot of witnesses, but their testimony will be more on the "Holocaust" level.
I guarantee you the Hiroshima consistency will be on an altogether different level from the gas/steam/diesel/electrocuting chambers that change their location every couple of years, the human saponification, the general holocaustic head-shrinking and human skin lady hand-bagging etc, on account of which people were hanged and *some* people (I mean the active organised few, not the passive many that no longer know any better than going along) are now -- in 1998 ! -- claiming the right to blackmail the entire World for a few years more... You'll find tons and tons of documents (photographic among others) about the destruction and reconstruction of the city at all levels (the Japanese are very good at this).
Green: Prove they are not forgeries.
Antonio: No proof from me will ever excuse you from looking into it, if you have doubts. You should not expect others to do your work for you. By all means start investigating and I don't think anyone will ever attempt to hide anything from you or outlaw your views. If you find out you cannot believe in the Hiroshima bombing, it will be fine with me, and you'll be looked upon as simply another inoffensive eccentric. No problem at all; the Hiroshima survivors will laugh you away, instead of hysterically claiming you are a menace to them.
You see, the Japanese don't hold up other nations for money and power, nor do they attempt to blackmail all the rest of mankind forever through the Hiroshima bombing. They buried their dead and went on living. This is what the powerful Jewish organisations will not tolerate, and they won't change this attitude while there is little visible Jewish resentment over their conduct (I'm glad to say I've met some vestiges of this, though). You should try to learn something, every now and then, for your own benefit. I think the end result if this goes on, will be disaster for everybody. (...)
Let's see if I manage to at least teach you something about vanishing evidence.
I have no reason to doubt the existence of the Enola Gay. (...) Indeed I've seen the Enola Gay in photos that agree quite well with all the other consistent evidence around the bombing of Hiroshima.The whole thing starting with Szilard, Einstein, and the letter to Roosevelt, through the Manhatan Project and Alamogordo. Even though it was a top-secret project, they weren't communicating by nudging and eye-winking and silent nods, and they did leave all the official paperwork trails one would expect. Also a clear chain of causality to individual actions will be there: you'll find that the testimonial diaries, the memoirs, and the profuse official records agree with the overall picture to a high degree of accuracy and consistency.
Then you have the discussion of the final decision, and this seems to be highly consistent too. Truman, and most of the remaining people involved in the top-level reunions, voluntarily contributed their versions without going through interrogation by Japanese kempetai agents and subsequent rigged show-trials in Japan, and, in spite of that, their versions are consistent too.
Then comes the operational part of the wondrous deed. U.S. Navy and Army historical archives will furnish you -- if you want to go to all the trouble, which I obviously won't, unless perhaps you give me some real indication that will set me suspecting a Hiroshima hoax was on -- with consistent material about the trip of the Indianapolis carrying the bomb, the technical and historical detailed data of the Enola Gay mission (both from the higher level military command and the base unit at Guam), the consistent biography of Col. Tibbets who didn't commit suicide in prison after confessing to having bombed Nagoya with radioactive cans of Potassium 832, and so on. You will also find his post-war voluntary impressions of how he felt about the episode, given to newspapers under no apparent pressure and for no apparent gain, etc.
Then you will have the main body of evidence -- once more entirely consistent with what preceded. You will have *both* the Japanese and the American official materials about the destruction and the reconstruction of the city: it was *never* supposed possible to keep it a secret, and no measures were taken to "erase the episode from history" since this was impossible. Apparently only the Nazis could think of exterminating a vast population -- worse than that, an entire race -- while keeping the whole thing a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" secret, in the hope nobody would notice and everybody would forget the previous historical existence of the Jews.
Of course, I have not gone through the exhaustive Hiroshima documentation that I mentioned and believe exists on all levels. Why didn't I ? Because I didn't see any reason to do it, no obvious inconsistency, no visible distortion of facts or scientific law, no attempt at opinion control through rigged show-trials and the extension of war propaganda into peacetime, no cynical attempt to transform the agony of the victims into a device for money-making and political profit, susceptible of creating entrenched interests in hiding truth away from view.
Why, will you ask, do I then believe in the Hiroshima bombing and not in the gas chambers of the "Holocaust"? And here is the answer to your question in a concise form, in case you haven't been following me:
1) The evidence for the Hiroshima bomb is *EXTREMELY* consistent on the surface, and I have no reason to think it is not convincing in depth if one delves into it.
2) The evidence for the "Holocaust" is *EXTREMELY* contradictory on the surface, and indeed little more than a mishmash of absurdities at all levels once you lift the thin veil hiding this.
3) To understand 2) it will not be enough for you to browse through Lipstadt's ignorant ramblings about the foreign revisionist devils or Nizkor's effort to press back into service every shrunken head with shoulder length hair (this was apparently the fashion among the hippies strolling about in the concentration camps...). You will have to go to the trouble of actually reading a vast -- but practically clandestine -- existing body of hard to find serious revisionist historical investigation.
What motivates belief or disbelief in a rational person is simply the degree of consistency of the evidence. If you would care to present to the World your analysis of the Hiroshima episode as, say, just a public relations stunt directed at intimidating the USSR, *and* your evidence for this was any good, I would be glad to look into it. You might turn out to be the Faurisson of the Hiroshima Cold War hoax!
Unfortunately for you, this is not what happens. For you make it quite clear that you do not doubt any Hiroshima bombing. Indeed you use it as an exemplary iron paradigm of reality, established beyond any reasonable doubt. What you are saying is "convince me that this obviously real event is real". Then you take a childish pleasure in showing no one will possibly prove he has convinced you of anything, as long as you are able to say "Nah, I don't believe in that".
You do not ask for reason or common sense. You ask for the suspension of both, in order to spare your dear "Holocaust" from going into the dust-bin of history where it belongs."
Thought for the Day:
"Gas chambers, the holy grail of the holocaust. Only those whose heart is pure can see them."
(Source: Another Giwer Gem?)