Two more reports about Day 2 of the Holocaust Heresy Trial in Germany

[zgrams at zgrams.zundelsite.org]

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I don't know about you, but I find these visitor accounts from native 
Germans very helpful in understanding what is going on in German 
courts.  This morning I am sending you two:

First Report:

The Zündel-Trial

Account of the Second Trial Date - Regional Court Mannheim
15.11.05
By Markus Haverkamp


Today's hearing was to commence at 10.00, by which time over a 
hundred supporters had gathered in the lobby of the building. There 
were quite a few new faces amongst the visitors, and again there were 
visitors from abroad. There were very few journalists indeed, and 
only a couple of cameras. The security regulations were far stricter 
today; neither cameras nor bags were allowed, which is not too 
unusual, but in addition, plastic bottles were not permitted either. 
Furthermore, there were at least twice as many police officials in 
the courtroom than last week.

The pubic was admitted into the courtroom at 10.40. The room was 
absolutely packed and twenty-odd people were unable to get seats and 
had to wait outside. Ernst Zündel entered the room at 10.50, shortly 
before the judges and jurors, and was greeted with a warm applause.

The judge, having entered, started by warning the public that moaning 
and applause would not be tolerated and that he had given the police 
the order to keep an eye on the public and remove any disturbers from 
the courtroom as well as taking down their names.

Next, Dr. Meinerzhagen dismissed Ernst Zündel's petition that the 
judge is biased as unfounded. He stated that there are no reasons for 
the accused to have doubts in the judge.

Following on from here, the judge corroborated his dismissal of 
Sylvia Stolz as mandatory lawyer (i.e. counsel of the defence 
appointed by the court), and repeated the reasons he had given the 
previous week, as well as saying that Miss Stolz is too close to the 
accused. Meinerzhagen stated that he had so decided not due to any 
emotional impulse, but on an objective, factual basis. He again 
argued that Miss Stolz is not suited because she cannot guarantee an 
orderly procedure, and that this would lead to conflicts between the 
accused and the defence.

The judge continued by giving an official statement that Jürgen 
Rieger and Dr. Herbert Schaller would also not be accepted as counsel 
of the defence appointed by the court. Dr. Meinerzhagen stated that 
his reasons for so doing are appropriate and expedient, and that this 
is necessary in order to avoid a delay of the proceedings.

In his next move, the judge rejected Miss Stolz' petition to exclude 
the public from the hearings. He said that the public can only be 
excluded from the trial, if it represents a threat, and that this is 
not the case. On the contrary, it is the defence which represents a 
threat to the trial because its intention is to incite the People. 
Furthermore, it is to be expected that the defence would file 
inciting petitions and motions to hear evidence if the public were 
excluded.

Dr Meinerzhagen followed this move by deciding to suspend the 
proceedings. He gave the following reasons: A new mandatory lawyer is 
to be appointed by the court. In light of the sheer mass of files, he 
would need time to become acquainted with the material. The trial is 
thus to be suspended until the new lawyer has had the opportunity to 
prepare himself for the trial.

Zündel is to be kept in gaol; this is just, when bearing in mind the 
seriousness of his offence. The suspension of the hearings, 
Meinerzhagen continued, is the fault of the defence.

At this point Jürgen Rieger stated that since the judge had not 
informed the defence of his intention to suspend the proceedings - 
something the judge is obliged to do, the defence had not been given 
the opportunity to make a statement on this decision. Later on the 
judge stated that he had indeed informed the defence of this 
intention - a blatant lie.

The judge then said that Zündel may name a mandatory lawyer. He 
pointed out how important it is that the lawyer of his choice has his 
trust. At 11.20 the hearing was interrupted for five minutes in order 
to allow Ernst Zündel to make a decision.

When the proceeding continued five minutes later, Zündel stated that 
he would appoint Dr. Schaller as his mandatory lawyer, and that 
Schaller is in best health. Dr. Schaller immediately said that he is 
prepared to take on this role.

Ulrich Meinerzhagen stated that the panel needs time to decide on 
this point, and that the panel also needs to hear the comment of the 
public prosecutor.

Rieger simply asked: "Why can't we do this now?" The judge then asked 
for the public prosecutor's opinion, and Großmann, the public 
prosecutor, said that he does not believe that Dr. Schaller is suited 
for this task.

Jürgen Rieger then asked why the court could not come to a decision 
today, and stated that the court cannot suspend the proceedings ad 
infinitum since Zündel is in jail, and that this is not in the 
interest of the accused. Meinerzhagen had, after all, unctuously 
stated that the proceeding ought to be swift.

Here followed a verbal battle between the judge and the defence, 
which went something like this:

Meinerzhagen: "We will not decide on this issue today."

Stolz: "I wish to make a statement concerning my dismissal as 
mandatory lawyer."

Meinerzhagen: "That's out of the question!"

Stolz: "You cannot do that, this is out of order!"

Meinerzhagen: "The trial is adjourned."

Stolz: "I have not had the opportunity to make my statement!"

Meinerzhagen: "I don't care!!! The proceedings are stayed!"

It was now 11.40, and upon the final words of the judge, the public 
vociferously voiced their disapproval and anger, shouting things like 
"this is a carnival!", "scandal!", "you just want to be off to 
celebrate your birthday!", etc.

The court is thus continuing along the path it has set itself. The 
trial will most likely be resumed February/March 2006.

After the hearing, Ernst Zündel's supporters and lawyers met for a 
discussion, during which Jürgen Rieger gave some interesting 
background information concerning the trial.

It seems that the judge will attempt to persecute the defence when 
they start defending Zündel. In order to prevent the trial from 
falling through, due to all lawyers having been thrown out (which 
would cast a negative light on Meinerzhagen), the judge wishes to 
have a court appointed defence lawyer who will follow his whims. He 
can then press charges against the defence team for voicing forbidden 
thoughts in public, have them expelled from the case and will then be 
able to quickly end the proceedings by sentencing Zündel, his 
personally appointed defence lawyer meekly playing along in this 
charade.

According to generally valid norms, the judge would of course have to 
appoint Dr Schaller as mandatory defence lawyer, since Herbert 
Schaller is neither close to Horst Mahler (Sylvia Stolz) nor has he 
got a criminal record (Jürgen Rieger). Not to appoint Dr Schaller due 
to his age is unheard of and no reason at all - in particular since 
Dr Schaller (84) is fit as a fiddle.

Jürgen Rieger also related to us that the judge has limited Ernst 
Zündel's mail. Zündel is allowed only two letters per day and these 
only when they are not longer than five pages. The letters he 
receives are picked randomly out of a box. Printed matters are 
forbidden.

Since Zündel has many printed texts relating to his defence in 
Canada, printed texts are sent to Herr Rieger to evaluate who has to 
return the texts within three days. (To show the ridiculousness of 
the situation, Rieger received a book of pictures about Tyrol, which 
the publishers had sent Zündel as a gift.)

The judge is thus refusing Zündel to view the files which his 
Canadian lawyers are sending him. Also, before the trial started the 
judge said that Zündel would be sentenced to more than four years 
gaol.

Whilst the trial and ensuing meeting was taking place, Germar Rudolf 
was flown into Germany where, upon arrival at Frankfurt Airport he 
was arrested and taken to the prison in Stuttgart. Also, the Flemish 
Revisionist Siegfried Verbeke has recently been arrested in Amsterdam 
and is to be extradited to Germany. The enemy must think that he has 
secured a brilliant victory by making Germany the focal point of his 
Holocaust show trails. Hubris, however, leads to nemesis and the 
sudden influx of show trials, where prominent people are being jailed 
for their thoughts, will lead to the enemy's downfall and the 
liberation of not only the German People but of all European Peoples 
from foreign rule, a rule based solely on the Rule of the Lie.

=====

Second Report:  (Sent by Anonymous):

Let me try to clarify some points concerning the trial, because, from 
my understanding, there are some mistakes in several articles. Most 
of the ones in the msm are full of errors, libel and slander. Part of 
this, I assume, is due to an erratic agency´s piece of news.

The trial is not "geplatzt". The trial is suspended. That means of 
course, that it will go on, and no new one will be opened.

Sylvia Stolz still is one of Ernst´s lawyers, but the judge recalled 
the public mandate from her. This was obviously only given to her 
"erratically", not knowing her engagement and contentional closeness 
to the defendant.

Dr. Schaller was suggested by J.Rieger as new mandatory lawyer and 
Ernst was asked, if he would agree: he affirmed his wish. But: the 
judge would not decide on this. Not now, although Rieger proposed 
this as plausible and urgent, because the defendant is in jail.

So: Schaller is not thrown out, if not some time after the trial was 
closed on tuesday, he decided in written and sent this decision to 
the parties. J. Rieger or S.Stolz should be the first to know and 
have the possibility to answer this move.

I expect for sure that the judge will in short time present a 
typical, Mannheim-based, well functioning lawyer as a mandatory 
lawyer.

Concerning the judges acts as a human, i.e. using or not his clearance (?):


He could easily give Ernst all his letters. He is allowed to receive 
two of them a day.
Not even the urgent letters from Ernst´s canadian lawyers are given 
to him, neither to the lawyers!


Letters with more than five pages have no chance to reach him. 
Letters that are declared as being written from nutty supporters are 
ruled out. Everything is put in boxes as Ernst´s "Habe". Means: he 
will get it when he leaves the jail!


Three or so of the letters are picked by accidance and given to e.g. 
J.Rieger to judge their importance. There are, for example, calendars 
or books with pictures of german landscapes, so that Ernst could 
bring some "heimatliche" atmosphere into his cell.( source: J.Rieger)

The judge could and of course should set Ernst free at once. He 
insists on him staying in jail, because of the defendant´s character 
and liability to continue the alleged crimes.

He also is not ready to discount his prisoners time in the canadian 
jail  from the "sentence to expect"!! Btw this seems to be one of the 
points, why Mannheim was chosen. Normally it would start with an 
"Amtsgericht" - trial. But Mannheim is known as very hard in its 
"Volksverhetzungs"-sentences. And the judge declared this Court for 
competent (for the jurisdiction in this case).  Not in the public 
trial, but in the pre-trial exchanging of the accusation and the 
reply..."because a sentence of more than four years is to expect".
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: /pipermail/attachments/20051117/7c6613e8/attachment.htm