ZGram - 11/8/2003 - "A husband or a website?"

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November 8, 2003

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Wouldn't you know it - it's still that darn Zundelsite that plagues 
the Canadian censors!

Think about it - if I want my husband back, it looks like I'll have 
to trade them my website!  It's just as Ernst told the judge:  "I am 
the world's first website hostage..."

I am now brooding on a poll where I could put it to the American 
people:  "Are you willing to let me trade your precious First 
Amendment to  the Kanadian Kommissars to I can get my kidnapped 
husband back to Tennessee?  If no,  you are going to have to help me. 
If yes, there goes your freedom out the window - you may be sure of 
that!"

What do you think they are going to say?

I am still waiting for an actual summary of the hearing yesterday, 
but in the meantime, take a look what the Canadian media have to say:

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Holocaust-denier says Canadian courts have no power over U.S.-based site

GREG BONNELL
Canadian Press


Friday, November 07, 2003

TORONTO (CP) - Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel told a judge Friday that
Canadian courts have no authority over a U.S.-based website administered by
his American wife that the Canadian Human Rights Commission says spreads
anti-Semitic messages.

"Am I going to ask my wife, from my jail cell, to enforce a ruling that
does not apply to her?" Zundel replied when asked if he'd comply with the
commission's order to remove the offending material from
www.zundelsite.org.

"I cannot. I have no means."

Zundel, 64, has repeatedly said he has no control over the website, and
told his detention review Friday that "there's no court in Canada that can
force my wife" to remove the material.

But Federal Court Judge Pierre Blais, who'll determine if Zundel should be
released from jail pending an assessment of whether he's a security risk,
said he had "serious doubts" regarding Zundel's claims of cyber-ignorance.

"There's a decision made; he didn't comply with the decision," Blais said
of the commission's ruling, putting the question of compliance to Zundel
after expressing dissatisfaction with the Crown's line of questioning.

"I want to know if he'll comply" now that he's back in Canada, Blais said.

In January 2002, the tribunal ruled that the site contravened the Canadian
Human Rights Act and found that Zundel had "effective control of the site."

But defence lawyer Doug Christie argued that "I can't stop her" was a
perfectly valid defence and that it was wrong of Blais to conclude Zundel
was refusing to abide by the ruling.

"It's not a breach of the order if he doesn't do anything," Christie said.
"It's (Zundel's wife) not complying, and she's not obliged to."

Zundel's connection to the website was also called into question by the
Crown, which told the court the site recently posted a letter written by
Zundel from his jail cell.

"I didn't even know until you showed me now that it was posted," Zundel
said.

Zundel, who fled to Tennessee to live with his wife before the Canadian
Human Rights Commission ruling came down, is seeking freedom pending a
review of a federal security certificate issued earlier this year that says
he's a security risk.

The certificate could send him back to Germany to face charges of suspicion
of incitement of hatred.

Zundel assured the court Friday that, if deported to Germany, he'd
surrender himself to Canadian authorities willingly.

"I will not go into hiding, I will not run away, that's not my style," he
said, but added he'll exhaust all possible legal avenues to fight
deportation.

Throughout the review, which began in May, government lawyers have
repeatedly tried to link Zundel with other Holocaust-deniers and white
supremacists.

Zundel was jailed in February when he was deported to Canada from the
United States for overstaying a visitor's visa.

He immediately applied for refugee status in Canada but was denied release
by the Immigration and Refugee Board three times before Ottawa suspended
the application May 2, one day after the security certificate was issued.

Once Zundel's detention review is complete, a judge must decide whether the
security certificate, much of it based on secret evidence from the Canadian
Security and Intelligence Service, is reasonable.

Once approved, the certificate becomes an immediate removal order.

Zundel remains in solitary confinement at Toronto's Metro West Detention
Centre.

© Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press


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Saturday, November 8, 2003
Zundel embroiled in website battle
By CP

TORONTO -- Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel told a judge yesterday Canadian
courts have no authority over a U.S.-based website administered by his
American wife that the Canadian Human Rights Commission says spreads
anti-Semitic messages.

"Am I going to ask my wife, from my jail cell, to enforce a ruling that
does not apply to her?" Zundel replied when asked if he'd comply with the
commission's order to remove the offending material from
www.zundelsite.org.

"I cannot. I have no means."

Zundel, 64, has repeatedly said he has no control over the website, and
told his detention review "there's no court in Canada that can force my
wife" to remove the material.

Federal Court Judge Pierre Blais, who'll determine if Zundel should be
released from jail pending an assessment of whether he's a security risk,
said he had "serious doubts" regarding Zundel's claims of cyber-ignorance.

"There's a decision made. He didn't comply with the decision," Blais said
of the commission's ruling, putting the question of compliance to Zundel
after expressing dissatisfaction with the Crown's line of questioning.

"I want to know if he'll comply" now that he's back in Canada, Blais said.

In January 2002, the tribunal ruled the site contravened the Canadian Human
Rights Act and found Zundel had "effective control of the site."

But defence lawyer Doug Christie argued "I can't stop her" was a perfectly
valid defence and that it was wrong of Blais to conclude Zundel was
refusing to abide by the ruling.

"It's not a breach of the order if he doesn't do anything," Christie said.

"It's (Zundel's wife) not complying, and she's not obliged to."

Zundel was jailed in February when he was deported to Canada from the U.S.
for overstaying a visitor's visa. He immediately applied for refugee status
in Canada, but was denied release by the Immigration and Refugee Board
three times before Ottawa suspended the application May 2, one day after a
security certificate was issued indicating he is a security risk. Zundel
remains in solitary confinement at Toronto's Metro West Detention Centre.




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