Copyright (c) 1997 - Ingrid A. Rimland

November 9, 1997

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


Here comes the last installment of the excellent Antonio Marques series on how to conduct Revisionism outreach in the newsgroups on the Internet.

But before I post today's finale, let me just tell you that I recently went back on the list of a conference/newsgroup called "fight-censorship" that was originally responsible for the spectacular 1996 Zundel Mirrors that defeated the censor-happy German government in its power grab at the beginning of last year.

I had been off that list for quite a while because it was too technical for me. I went back on when the Canadian Human Rights Commission business started heating up, because I hoped to glean some useful arguments to pass on to Ernst's legal team - although I knew the group, by then, had been infested with the sort of holoshlockers we know so well: people like McVay, McCarthy et al who talk out of both corners of their mouths.

Now, to my joy, I watched with glee how Jamie McCarthy - FORMERLY of Nizkor, as he wants me to stress! - was getting it on the nose.

Why?

As though on cue, he delivered on-site demonstration of how these holoshlockers operate!

As I already pointed out in yesterday's ZGram, the worthy Mr. McCarthy tried to neutralize one of our own by luring him away from the group, unctuously asking for correspondence IN PRIVATE - on grounds that what our outpost soldier had to say would not be really relevant to their discussion, implying that he, McCarthy, was going to spare the members of that group the pain of an unnecessary flame war!

(It sounds Talmudic - does it not? Last name notwithstanding?)

Exactly the Holoshlock technique described in a recent ZGRam! The timing was exquisite! And one or two in that smart group are really waking up and picking up on it!

The Holocau$t - not relevant?

There's nothing but nothing that's more relevant in this ever-expanding "censorship vs. freedom-of-speech" struggle, as some of the more astute participants in that group are slowly finding out!

Uncensored discussion of the Holocaust dogma today resembles the once-upon-a-time forbidden discussion of the corruption of the Catholic Church in Luther's day. It is THE litmus test of true free speech - the rest is mere diversion, fluff and subterfuge! Pornography? My foot!

Let this sink in and stay: Segments of history in Europe are already fiercely federally protected against discussion - and soon will be here in America, unless people wake up and speak up! Not a few federal agencies and special interest groups such as the Wiesenthalers are trying to limit such speech by criminalizing expression of doubt via "hate laws"!

Now back to earth.

Below I give you Holoshlock, Part IV, courtesy of Antonio Marques of Portugal:

"Here is how I think each of the above modes of substituting propaganda for truth should be countered:

A. Don't try to argue extremely ridiculous viewpoints in a serious way. Instead joke back at the frailty of that sort of "argument" and put the opposition in its place by poking fun at its antics.

If, for instance, they try to have the "Holocaust" debated by proving or disproving whether Hitler had a single testicle or two, reply in kind by asking ***in a jocular vein*** how come Churchill the drunkard always dreamed he saw four testicles in his counterpart?

This is much better than resorting to medical records, Bavarian regiment inspection papers etc. for the poor Fuehrer, while the opposition is poking fun at your "scholarship" and laughing itself out of its wits with your eager attempts at historical accuracy.

Always follow your joking remarks with some sort of particularly incisive ***serious*** Revisionism, hard to answer and preferably on the same message or thread, in order to CONTRAST serious debate and the ridiculous antics of your opposition.

B. Choose your newsgroups well. It's perfectly legitimate to begin the "Holocaust" debate in the Cultural, Historical, and General ones.

The national "soc.culture.xxxxxx" newsgroups are good choices, since a lot of people cross-post there. You may use both the local language and English, since a lot of people will understand both.

Some of your opposition will not contest your points, but will try to make others avoid your postings and will proclaim you're "abusing" the newsgroup. This is nonsense - the only abuse is to try to shut you up, since a newsgroup is nobody's private property, and the "Holocaust" claim is indeed an item of great cultural, historical, religious interest.

You'll probably find it's best to concentrate on no more than half a dozen newsgroups. Join other discussions and allow the others to be able to know you better. This will make it easier for you to cancel your characterization as a monster, fascist, etc. - which the holoshlockers will always try.

Each time they try to direct your answers to alt.revisionism, correct this and re-position yourself on the same newsgroups and threads. You can do this in a fast way by copying the destinations of the previous postings.

Every once in a while ask (the holoshlockers) ***very politely*** to stop the re-directing nonsense. They won't - and you should capitalize on this to point out their bad-faith and desire to shut things away from the public view.

If you are short of opposition, add alt.revisionism to the other newsgroups for a while and fish out some new holo-nerds to your chosen turf. You'll always find some!

If you start debating exclusively in alt.revisionism, you should always add at least another newsgroup, since the only problem Revisionism faces -- through the complete media blackout -- is public exposure.

Always point this out: a lot of people are completely unaware that an iron ring of censorship exists around the matter, and will be surprised at this.

You should not be disappointed if only two or three people are connecting to your articles; odds are ***many more*** will be reading you but so unaware of, and surprised at, the ongoing silent worldwide debate, they'll not make their presence visible.

C. The "Holocaust" propaganda brigade, when confronted with the public eye, will never fail to confirm the most incredibly obnoxious pieces of propaganda, such as the human soap from both WWI and WWII, the shrunken heads, the human skin lampshades and ladies' handbags, etc.

If they don't acknowledge these forgeries as such - they ***cannot*** allow themselves such luxuries, even though they know the truth very well - use their own propaganda against them: a lot of people who know next to nothing about the "Holocaust" real background, are much more intelligent than the holoshlockers think they are.

Some of the most incredibly implausible stories, such as the impossible (and purposeless, since the corpses are already in their graves and all you would have to do to avoid epidemics would be to cover them with earth - body-burning in ***pits***, or the magical crematory ovens continuously functioning without cooling periods between each two successive cremations) should always be explored. Everybody with but the slightest understanding of the technical limitations of every piece of machinery and material will be able to suspect the gigantic lies involved in the Myth.

No "documents" will disprove this; if your opposite part shows you a diary page from someone who said a crematory oven would burn hundreds of bodies a day for consecutive years, so much the better: look for the modern technical testimony by experts and the articles in the Revisionist sites explaining why five or six would be an upper limit, and use them.

If such shameless cover-ups as the second Krakow Report are thrown in, you should never fail to counter them with the truth they try to hide - the embarassing First Report from the same origin, in this case.

If you don't know where to look for the data, use the search facilities at Bradley Smith's CODOH site, or contact someone else who does. A lot of data is still exclusively in book form.

D. "Running away from the facts" is the best way to characterize the main current tactic of the Exterminationist bunch engaging in debate over the Internet. When they want to sidetrack you towards marginal talk - which they do practically all the time! - they will launch incredibly inept "ad hominem" attacks on such people as Faurisson, Leuchter, Rudolf or Zundel.

If you try to counter this sort of cowardly tactics, you'll soon loose the mainline of the discussion and get bogged down in the accessory bla-bla-bla. Simply direct your readers to the biographical capsules in the CODOH, AAARGH, Greg Raven and Zundel sites, leave it at that, and proceed to discuss your own main points.

Of course, if you are able to counter the lies with a quick blow, do it by all means, but avoid loosing a lot of time in a defensive stance.

(I was able to answer someone who was claiming French left-wing Revisionist publisher Pierre Guillaume had been a Petainist, with the fact that he must have been a Petainist in the heaven of waiting souls, since he was not yet born (or maybe he was a very young child), but I wouldn't have lost a lot of time writting Guillaume's biography as a left-wing libertarian, when I was discussing the evidence for the mass-deportations to Maly-Trotynets near Minsk. It simply wouldn't be relevant...)

E. The most important part of the debate is not to indoctrinate others in a particular belief system, but to make available to them the sources of information necessary to defend themselves from the "Holocaust" onslaught the media constantly vehiculate.

Some excellent Revisionist sites exist, and you should publicize them whenever you can. I would advise against ***too many*** sites at a time, since interested people will be able to follow the excellent links they all have, and the others would be put-off by an excessive number of URLs.

You should always try to include in your messages the following Revisionist information sources. These links will reach the remaining Revisionist network on the Internet:

http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ihr/pamphlets/pamphlets.html (Excellent introduction)

http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
(Short biographies & Index)

http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/
(The all-important texts from the "Institute for Historical Review", Index of articles, Index to the "Journal of Historical Review").

http://www.codoh.com/
(Excellent homepage of CODOH, in English with many articles in other languages, Search of Revisionist sites, Index, News)

http://abbc.com/aaargh/
(Important archives Rassinier, Faurisson, La Vieille Taupe in French, many translations in English and other languages, Index, News)

http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/index.html
(Your ever-persecuted Zundelsite)

By comparison, the Nizkor site with its collections of indiscriminate atrocity photo galleries - no date, no place! - "original references" almost always limited to the mainstream sensational books from the 50s or 60s in which the "photos" and "documents" appeared, and general lack of principle, patent in the human soap, lampshades and other moronic "evidence of Jewish victimization" it uses, will be the best possible element of comparison.

In fact the best thing you can do is to give your readers the Revisionist *and* Exterminationist sites and commenting on their contents. The Wiesenthal site is a nice one to open people's eyes, since they are systematically calling for censorship in an open way.

AS A FINAL NOTE: Remember not to hide the fact that you are trying to divulge PERSECUTED IDEAS. Spreading censored news under the noses of the censors is not a sin - in spite of the hue and cry it will provoke. Probibiting them and hiding the truth is (a sin)."


(Posted with permission. Antonio Marques)

Thought for the Day:

"When it comes to hate speech, it strikes me how profound the difference is between Europe and the United States. What can the reason for this be?

I can understand that Germany and Austria criminalize holocaust denial and racial hatred. But that's no justification for censorship in Denmark, Norway and Sweden . . . "

(Peter Herngaard, a European participant on the fight-censorship list, beginning to ask the right question)

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